@blokaslabs I have a #KeystepPro and I’m wondering, can I add the Midihub and program it to control my midi synths so that the global tuning is 432Hz? (IE: -32 cents from A440)
Thanks so much!
I’m trying to determine if the Micro Tuning feature of the MidiHub can tune down from the standard A440 Hz about 32 cents to achieve the A432 Hz globally across all the synths connected to my keystep pro.
I’m imagining the midi out from the keystep goes into the MidiHub then out to the synths.
But along the signal path, within the MidiHub, the pitch is reduced via midi messages by 32 cents (like a slight but permanent pitch bend)
Is this possible?
To be honest, I lucked out with my MicroFreak because within the internal global settings I can adjust the tuning natively
But I’m having a hard time finding other synths that offer the same feature.
And I’m falling in love with certain synths that I want like the Dreadbox Nymphes…and others…but it doesn’t look like you can tune those synths internally.
Any help is totally appreciated
And please don’t talk about the merits or un-merits of 432Hz
Just pretend it’s nothing more than a technical inquiry so we can keep the discussion focused and on point.
Aside from using the Micro Scale pipe itself (not a pipe I know well and, anyway, probably a bit of an overkill here), Midihub’s Transform pipe can create a fixed Pitchbend before each note played:
This can then be sent to whichever channels and ports you choose.
Other variations on this would include using a Square LFO Transformed to send the PB periodically (to reduce the per-note chatter.)
Of course you’d need to figure out what PB MSB & LSB to send each device†…
…and probably avoid sending any manual pitchbends††.
† (having different fixed PB ranges on different devices wouldn’t be a killer – just a touch more fiddly)
†† (still do-able but rescaling to a “pitchbend offset” would be more involved)
Thanks so much for your insights!!!
I don’t know anything yet about how MidiHub is programmed -it sounds very powerful- but I think I understand what you’re saying:
“Midihub’s Transform pipe can create a fixed Pitchbend before each note played”
So, would I go in and program the transform pipe on every single note (A0 to C8) and put it at say -32 cents pitch bend below each note?
If I could do that, it would seem I would have achieved my aim.
To change the pitch, you’d update the Argument 1/2 properties. If the Pitch Bend depth is known of each sound producing device, some formula could be used to figure out the exact values to get the desired tuning.
Otherwise, you could use some Tuner plugin / device to do it by hand and play around with the values until you reach the desired tuning.
where the first line (called a pipeline) creates a fixed Pitch Bend before every note,
and the next two take certain note ranges, change the channel to whatever and send them out
It’s sounding like MidiHub is absolutely going to have the capability to achieve a certain pitch bend across all my notes and devices. And your idea to get in there with a tuner to find my precise A432Hz is a great idea since I wouldn’t know how to calculate the formula.
If I can get the A440 down -32 cents that is very close to A432. The tuning I’m after is equal tuning across all notes so, once I hit A432 on the tuning device I’m guessing it will be global for the rest of the notes on the specific synth.
Interestingly I got this message from a YouTube comment I made asking his advice:
“@OscillatorSink
10 hours ago
I’d have to check if there’s an appropriate pipe, but I’m pretty sure you could send a static pitch bend message. BUT: the range of pitch bend is a parameter governed by the synth (ususlly per patch if it has presets) so you’d have to ensure that every preset you used had the same maximum pitch bend amount”
It’s a great video but anyways it’s interesting to consider the fact that each devices presets might have different pitch bend values and therefore could complicate the issue.
In your experience could that actually play out as he says?
Or wouldn’t any one particular synth have the same pitch bend values starting at standard tuning and then going up or down at the same rate regardless of the presets?
Thanks a lot for your response btw
Much appreciated
Yep, I took my “-1350” from the first mention that popped up, btw.
I don’t have a MidiHub yet tho
doesn’t matter; when I saw Oscillator Sink’s and loopop’s videos way back, I grabbed the Editor to follow along on screen and was quickly sold.
Both videos are good but you should know Midihub is now even better!
re your remarks to @Giedrius, yep his advice about a Tuner is a good one.
Also look at your devices to see whether you can set them to the same PB range (2 semis seems to be a popular default)
If not, as G, says you might need different PB settings for different synths
btw, Midihub would also allow you to “Map” those Arguments to two KSPro encoders so you can get the pitch right on the coarse then the fine (most pitchbenders don’t go anywhere near that fine as it goes: Keysteps only do MSB/coarse)
Yeah, you can treat Arg 2 as the ‘coarse’ tuning parameter as it’s controlling the most significant bits (MSB) and Arg 1 as ‘fine’ tuning parameter, as it’s controlling the least significant bits (LSB)
You should dig around your synths settings / manuals and you’ll find out. Some synths might have a different Pitch Bend depth parameter per-preset, some may have a global setting, some may have a fixed setting of something like 1, 2 or 12 semitones depth.
Anyway, once you figure some values out, they should apply to all devices using the same pitch bend depth.
so much!
